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- From: lamont@hyperreal.com
- Newsgroups: alt.drugs
- Subject: RUN FOR YOUR LIVES ITS STRYCHNINE!
- Date: 8 Apr 1993 04:59:04 GMT
- Message-ID: <1q0beoINNqve@shelley.u.washington.edu>
-
- On the issue of strychnine in LSD:
-
- The following text was written by Alexander T. Shulgin in response
- to the overwhelming misconception that strychnine is commonly
- found in street samples of LSD:
-
- "The observation of strychnine as being present in any street
- drug, as a by-product, or a contaminant, or an impurity has
- never been documented. It is a natural plant product, as are
- the ergots which are used in the synthesis of LSD. But they
- come from totally unrelated plants; there has never been a
- report of strychnine and an ergot alkaloid co-existing in a
- single species. So if the two materials are together in a drug
- sample, it could only be by the hand of man. I have personally
- looked a large number of illicit street offerings and have never
- detected the presence of strychnine. The few times that I have
- indeed found it present, have been in legal exhibits where it
- usually occurred in admixture with brucine (also from the plant
- Strychnos nux-vomica) in criminal cases involving attempted or
- successful poisoning.
- The same argument applies to the myth that occasionally surfaces,
- that strychnine occurs in the white tufts of peyote. This is
- equally fraudulent -- it has never been reported in that cactus
- or any other cactus."
-
- Furthermore, it should probably be spelled out that strychnine
- is not needed to bond LSD to blotter paper, nor is strychnine a
- breakdown product of LSD. these are probably the two most commonly
- repeated gross misconceptions.
- The source of the "strychnine is commonly found in LSD" myth may
- be somewhat grounded in truth. For example, in "LSD: My Problem Child"
- Albert Hoffman cites a case in the late sixties of Strychnine being
- found in an "LSD" sample that was a white powder. However, what is
- commonly claimed is that strychnine is found in a significant percentage
- of LSD, specifically blotter LSD, which is *not* true. Shulgin's note
- that he has analyzed many samples of LSD and never found strychnine
- is backed up by published analyses done by PharmChem and the LA
- County Street Drug Analysis program, which likewise never found
- any strychnine.
- This is intuitively backed up by the fact that a 5mm x
- 5mm "standard" square of blotter LSD only weights about 2mg and if
- the paper itself was made completely out of pure strychnine it is
- still on the very low end of Strychnine's threshold of activity.
- Strychnine is not the cause of tracers, cramps, nausea, or
- amphetamine-like LSD-effects. Its possible that poorly synthesized
- LSD might have other ergot derivatives in it, which might contribute
- to the harsh body load that some get on taking LSD. Also, the
- very close chemical relatives 1-Methyl-LSD and 1-Acetyl-LSD (which break
- down into LSD in aqueous solution) might be present in some street
- samples and might contribute to the harsh body load. (Petter Stafford
- has claimed in his _Psychedelics Encyclopedia_ that 1-Acetyl-LSD is
- supposedly "smoother" than d-LSD -- thus "strychnine laced acid" may
- acutally be pure d-LSD, while "pure lsd" may be 1-Acetyl-LSD or some
- substitute). And the chemicals iso-LSD and lumi-LSD which are
- breakdown products of LSD might contribute to the body loading on
- some trips, particularly via a hypothetical synergistic effect. Given
- this plethora of possible chemicals in street "LSD", its not needed to
- look to a chemical which has hardly ever been found in analyzed
- samples to explain variations in the strength and "cleanliness" of
- street acid.
- Its also possible that LSD itself simply causes adverse physical
- effects, particularly muscle cramping, in persons suceptible to it.
- The reported side effects of LSD (the nausea and apparent CNS
- stimulant effects) are commonly reported side effects of seritonergic
- drugs such as fluoxetine (Prozac) and buspirone (Buspar), and also
- are commonly reported (and typically more severe) with other
- psychedelics like Mescaline.
- Or its quite likely that the "strychnine" reactions to LSD are
- entirely psychosomatic. Both Leary ("The Psychedelic Experience") and
- Lilly ("Programming and Metaprogramming...", "Center of the Cyclone")
- have each observed this reaction in people who cannot handle the
- surge of emotion associated with a trip.
- Further advice would be to avoid methylxanthines (caffiene,
- theophylline in tea, etc) prior to dosing. Some have noted a possible
- synergistic effect between them and LSD causing, or contributing, to
- a harsh body load during a trip. And prior use of dramamine may
- alleviate the nausea sometimes associated with LSD, and other
- psychedelic drugs (although it may also effect the quality of the
- trip -- Shulgin has noted in PiHKAL that he shuns the use of
- anti-nauseants in order to experience the effects of the psychedelic,
- both good and bad, with no possible interference).
- In summary, it can't be said that we know specifically why
- sometimes acid feels "cleaner" than other times. However, based on
- the availability of plausible explanations, and the evidence of
- drug analysis, and general implausiblity of the whole strychnine
- concept, we can conclude that it isn't due to any concentration of
- strychnine. Also, while it can't completely be ruled out, the
- presence of strychnine in LSD is so minimal that the majority of
- LSD users will never once come across it.
-
- Comments?
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- From: palmer@tallis.enet.dec.com (Colonel Mode)
- Date: 6 Mar 92 17:32:01 GMT
- Newsgroups: alt.drugs
- Subject: There is no strychnine. None, none, none.
-
-
- To my knowledge, the only plants that contain strychnine are the Asian tree,
- Strychnos nux-vomica, and perhaps a few close relatives in the genus Strychnos.
- This is not to say that there are definitely no plants outside of the genus
- Strychnos that contain strychnine, but all of the posts to this newsgroup that
- claim strychnine is found in "X" that I have read have been false.
-
- Strychnine is not found in Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, peyote, LSD, discount
- luncheon meats, Chilean grapes, or even modern-day rat poisons.
-
- The most likely place to find strychnine is in myths posted to alt.drugs based
- on hearsay and other unreliable sources.
-
- Read "The Botany and Chemistry of the Hallucinogens", by Richard Evans Shultes
- and Albert Hoffman. They are respected scientists who know what they are talking
- about. Don't take my word for it. Certainly don't take the word of authors of
- flakey pamphlets or usenet randoms who spout myths heard from their friends.
-
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- Chris Palmer
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